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Remove Copy Protection From Game Save Files

Idea 480 | Posted in , by | March 17, 2010

Locking games to a user PSN ID is OK, but preventing users from backing up their save data is ridiculous.

 

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VI_timmy  |  March 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

Agreed I hate that lock crap it’s stupid I just had 2 of my ps3s stolen after I spent about 2weeks playing demons souls :( now I gotta start over that’s [DELETED]. I have 3 ps3s I shudnt have to start a new file for everyone

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captainkeeper  |  March 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 pm

This is a huge issues for families with more then one PS3 in the house. I no longer purchase games that have a locked save file.

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simpgraus  |  March 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 am

it doesn’t need to be locked/protected.
it is only costing you money, when we loose all our save and decide it no worth playing it the game or and dlc again!

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Fakerz1  |  March 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 am

Please allow us to back up the data. Encrypt it if you must, but allow back up of it.

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Dr_Train  |  March 23rd, 2010 at 2:36 pm

It’s unnecessary,people talk about how it would help people cheat for trophies,well who cares they are just trophies.
Others say it takes the fun out of a game because someone can take all the stuff they got from someone elses hard worked game and just use it to be cheap.Honestly who cares,for those who are scared of losing all their data that they worked on for so long this would help.
Because I fear that I could lose a lot of my data to games I have played lots because you never know when your ps3 will break down.

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sacchi__uy  |  March 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 pm

It’s just stupidly pointless for it to even exist. Different from a memory card, save files can’t be transferred to another PS3, and if your ps3 dies you lose them all. I don’t know if “Back up” the HDD allows you to back up locked save files too, but if it doesn’t, that’s another issue Sony should look at.
Sites like Gamefaqs already give you easy and secure gamefaqs but who cares? A few people might use them to gain some trophies, but they’re just virtual rewards. As for those who say that it allows people to gain access they haven’t unlocked. I completely admit and feel proud that I copied a gamefaq save file of MGS4. It is a fantastic game, and has some amazing unlockable weapons, but to unlock them, you have to play the game many hours, which I don’t have. So, who here actually cares that I was lucky enough to enjoy those awesome unlockables with almost no effort? Is it a big difference for you at all?
Locking save files brings a lot of disadvantages for many people, and while some use them for earning trophies, they are just idiots and many PS3 consumers are losing one big feature of the PS3. Some others will get unlockables without any effort; and who cares? Those who did farm know they do deserve them.

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Carl-G  |  March 23rd, 2010 at 5:44 pm

Yeah i lost my Killzone 2 save :-/ & i think another 1.

Stop doing Copy Protection saves please sony. I want to back up all my saves just incase something happens [which it did last year]

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Nibbo  |  March 24th, 2010 at 4:44 am

My PS3 broke recently and I was lucky enough to get my own one back after repairs instead of a refurb. Thinking I’d had a lucky escape I quickly backed up all I could, but couldn’t back up a couple of games that I put a ton of time into. If it happens again there’s a good chance those saves will be lost, and it took so long to do those games that I probably won’t go back to them which would be a real shame.
I realise that that locking saves is down to the developer, but I strongly suggest that you take that option away from them, possibly by changing something in the next firmware so that the locks on the saves are no longer recognised. Please!

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Random_Avenger  |  March 25th, 2010 at 12:21 am

Couldn’t agree more about this. Especially when upgrading the internal hard drive of one’s PS3. The Back up Utility does nothing to remedy the situation with copy protected save files. I understand it’s an issue with DRM & identity theft etc. etc. But to log countless hours into a game & then lose all data to that game just when trying to back it up is a tad ridiculous.

Unless there is a way to compromise this issue. Create to save files per game, one for solo campaign progress & one for online multiplayer. Multiplayer stats, for games like Modern Warfare 2, are all kept saved on the server by that users online name. Next time said user logs on that data can all be retrieved. However solo progress can’t be salvaged unless there was a way to back it up.

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DAS_COOL  |  March 25th, 2010 at 6:40 am

I was wondering how come this idea wasn’t allowed to be commented for a while lol…

Anyway, this or the online storage save game, either way, the current status of our locked save game is NOT GOOD!

For those who haven’t voted, vote this too
http://share.blog.us.playstation.com/ideas/2010/03/17/storage-of-game-saves-online

We have to make both of these ideas high up there for SONY people to take notice.

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redknight4  |  March 25th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

I’d say that a nice save game backup utility that allows you to back up all save game data including locked data would be a good option. and have is set up so the back up file can only be restored to the psn account associated with the backup file. so that would mean that each account would have to be backed up individually. I know that ea seems to be the worst offender of locked save data. the util would still leave the devs happy (but cranky) and the users happy (and annoyed slightly) as well. this would be the best compromise for the situation.

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x_NiiGHTMARE_x  |  March 26th, 2010 at 11:45 am

I agree with this 100% I lost my save data when I purhcased a second ps3. Some of my save files i lost were Killzone 2, Assassins Creed 2 and Street Fighter 4. Called Sony support they said they are able to unlock my online save file to transfer to new ps3 but what about my single player? All that time spent down the drain! Please make this happen!!!

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macling  |  March 26th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

This needs to happen. Why can’t you just tie save data files to a psn id. I’m not trying to cheat anyone I just want to be able to backup my files. This should be mandated by Sony!!!!

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Nettacki01  |  March 26th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

I’m in agreement with this idea. Especially after owning a PS3 that YLOD’ed on me twice so far.

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Anagura-Raziel  |  March 27th, 2010 at 12:21 am

I’m kinda torn. On one hand you’ve got people who download saves and claim to be “good at the game” when they invested any time into.

On the other hand, I’m using my flatmate’s PS3 right now, so when I move out I can’t just copy my saves to my PC and keep them there until I can afford my own ps3. Atleast I get to keep my trophies I guess…

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Anagura-Raziel  |  March 27th, 2010 at 12:23 am

Sorry, I meant to say people “steal” saves and gloat about 100%’ing it when “They haven’t invested ANY time into it”

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DVD_Sandwich  |  March 27th, 2010 at 5:35 am

This is the one thing that makes Assassin’s Creed II not a perfect 10.
God of War savedata is tied to your PSN account, and that’s fine. If someone else loads it, they can’t save or earn trophies. Whatever. But at least I can make a backup copy in case my hard drive breaks down on me.

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cakefoo  |  March 27th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

i wouldn’t want this EXACT solution because it would risk hurting the authenticity of everyone’s trophies.

Maybe they could authenticate your saves against your psn account. seems to make sense to me…

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Surfnet  |  March 28th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

I have 3 PS3′s throughout the house so i can play one when people are doing other stuff around one of the others. I need to be able to move my game saves. Tie it to the user ID but not the console.

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mfwahwah  |  March 28th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

Oh God I HATE locked save files! I wanted to bring one of my saves to my friend’s house so we could enjoy the spoils of my work without me having to bring over the whole PS3. But NO the save file just has to be locked for some reason!

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phinnv8  |  March 29th, 2010 at 12:36 am

Yea for example I heard I cannot back up Demon’s Souls or Street Fighter IV, that would be a nightmare if I lost my DS save =(

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noid69  |  March 29th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

If those Savegames would transferable to another console because they’re PSN account-bound, that would be ok as well.

I want to switch to a PS3 slim, but i don’t want to do the same things twice.

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Delvo  |  March 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

I agree, I just changed out my 60HDD for a 500HDD and I’m losing a few saved games that I don’t want to start over such as “Heavy Rain”, “Killzone 2″, and “Fat Princess”.

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A7V7VIHILATOR  |  March 29th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

allowing copying makes it significantly easier to hex edit data this is a BAD thing for ppl who don’t wanna encounter cheating in online games…

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Morac_  |  March 30th, 2010 at 12:15 am

@24 That doesn’t explain why a number of single player only games disable copying of saved games. For example Assassin’s Creed 2 and Heavy Rain.

Modern Warfare 2 saves are not protected and yes it did lead to some cheating online, but that was patched.

If Sony wants to allow developers to copy protect saves, then Sony should have a mechanism of storing these saves online and syncing them back to the console (similar to trophies).

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Skater_Ricky  |  March 31st, 2010 at 10:27 pm

Stop doing Copy Protection saves please Sony. I want to back up all my saves just incase something happens.

I To Agree with the Same Comment Above ^^
Or Have a Way to Backup Game Saves on a PSN Network. I have Many different Games I cant play on my PS3 Slim because all my old Game Saves wont Copy to my Memory Cards to Save to my New PS3 Slim and I Only use One Account for playing Games.

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Zombieland-can  |  April 3rd, 2010 at 11:26 am

yeah locked saves is stupid it really is.
someone create a gameshark on the ps3 lol

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oly1kenobi  |  April 3rd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

PS3 died… Need to be able to backup the saved game data!!!!!!!

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haseokyu  |  April 4th, 2010 at 7:29 am

thanks sony now i cant share savefiles with my little brother who is not always so smart to get everything in a game guess you don’t care about the younger people

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UPGRAYYEDD  |  April 4th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

This is total crap. My PS3 is broken because the wireless modem went out. So now I get the awesome choice of dealing with a broken PS3 or losing hundreds of hours of gameplay. Thanks Sony! This is the type of thing that makes me want to switch systems.

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jediguy2  |  April 5th, 2010 at 7:52 am

I just got my own PS3, having using my son’s, and now want to transfer all my saves to my new PS3, but I can’t. I work full time, and have no chance to reclaim all the hours i’ve invested into gaming over the past 3 years. As the main purchaser of DLC in the house all the software houses who continue to support and release new DLC for these games are now losing money as I won’t bother playing all these games again as I cannot move my saves to carry on playing. Link them to a PSN id, but at least allow them to be copied.

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Takashy87  |  April 5th, 2010 at 8:45 am

Totally support the idea. Who was the bright mind behind this stupid idea to have saves that can’t be backed up? I like the Ps3′s tag line… “It only does everything”.. well, apparently it doesn’t.. or why aren’t we able to back up our game saves? Thers no excuse what so ever to not be able to back up your game saves… if its a problem with trophies or something like that.. then come up with a different solution that doesn’t cost the players endless hours of gameplay time..

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CJR1210  |  April 6th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

on my 4th PS3 now and im a sucker for fallout 3, Im 4 trophies away from platinum I will be playing more but why cant sony bring out a usb stick coded to your psn id so even if your PS3 breaks down like mine you still have your game data when you send the broken one back.

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mister_alakista  |  April 7th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

I study overseas so I have a PS3 in each country and it’s a real pain when I can’t copy my save files and obviously don’t have easy access to the games. It wouldn’t be so bad if I can swap out the hard drives with the saves but I can’t do that either. And the thing about cheating with trophies doesn’t make any sense because the games that I’ve managed to copy don’t award you with trophies retroactively. If not remove copy protection at least tie the saves to PSN IDs.

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Storm34  |  April 8th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

Im with you all i thik savegame locks should be removed im out of room on my 80g hd and have a 500g i wanna put in but dont wanna lose any game save data

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NightCrawler-72  |  April 9th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

This is my most wanted request. I really hate the fact that some devs think its a good idea to lock saves. What are they thinking ?

I want to be able to back up my hard earned saves in case of system failure or if I ever feel the need to play on another PS3 in a different room. Let me do it for gods sake – I’ve invested so many hours in the game so why stop me from doing what I want with MY data.

They should be locking game saves to our PSN id – as we all know.

I am a little surprised that more people haven’t voted for this idea. I really hope that Sony (who are guilty of doing this themselves via Guerilla Games with KZ2) address this and going forward we see ALL games locking to your PSN.

Could do with more votes !!!

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l3lackCalamity  |  April 10th, 2010 at 1:15 am

This all the way. I cant back up my killzone 2 data and this makes me sad

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thomaslisa777  |  April 10th, 2010 at 10:26 am

for the second time, i have had my game save deleted. i am very upset by this and dont really even want to play it any longer. I was at the blue lagoon scene again. about 8 hours into the game both times, i turned it off, making sure the light wasnt flashing. i even tried like hell to makle sure i could back up the game save (i couldnt as you all know) it. when i restart my game i have no bonuses (trophies are still there). when it says i unlock bonuses they are no longer there either (so the making ofs and such are gone forever) and i am completely and totally disenchanted with this game. Could have been fixed if we could back up. I believe that there is a way to fix it involving restoring peoples abilities to unlock chapters based on what the game can see they have already accomplished (be it trophies or what have you) i would much rather start back at the beginning of the chapter that blue lagoon is rather than the whole darn game.

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BalramRules  |  April 12th, 2010 at 10:51 am

Yeah Sony!
Fix it, we’re paying you for games and stuff, can’t we just have this feature?!?! XO
Why should you lots care anyway?

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d4j0k3r-Qc  |  April 12th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

Wow, I didn’t even know you couldn’t backup your saved files. I was assuming it was working (never tested it). This needs to be in first place instead of “Cross game voice chat”.

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Keeng  |  April 13th, 2010 at 10:32 am

Using the Backup Utility does let you keep even copy protected files if and only if you Restore to the same PS3. This idea needs to be totally removed as soon as possible. I have a dead PS3 in my living room right now because I’m basically afraid to send it to Sony. There’s a really good chance they’ll have to send me another PS3 and if they do, I’ll have to start completely over on games like Demon’s Souls, Resident Evil 5, and Devil May Cry 4. Get rid of save file copy-protection. It’s a terrible idea and all it does is hurt the user experience.

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mjc0961  |  April 20th, 2010 at 10:47 am

This would be nice indeed. As it stands now, you can back up protected saves, but they are only restored if you restore to the same PS3.

I’d say that they either need to stop with the locks, or at least give us the option to insist that we get the same PS3 back should we have to send it in for repairs. It’s already bad enough getting YLOD or another crippling problem with your PS3 and having to shell out big bucks to fix it. The last thing gamers need is a final kick in the balls when they get a refurbished console back and find that some of their saves are lost.

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Hoshigakure  |  April 22nd, 2010 at 5:46 pm

I voted yes, but you have it wrong. Your saves can be backed up using the Backup PS3 Utility in System Settings. You just can’t do it via PS3.

The only negative with Back up utlity is that it virtually backs up everything to an External Drive.

I have a 500GB internal drive with other 100GB of data. So If I want to back up my saves games like ACII and KZ2, then i’ll need a massive External Drive too.

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phinnv8  |  April 23rd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

Yea, this should banned from all devs for all games. Its a horrible practice and completely prevents backing up data. I might have gotten a Slim too if this wasn’t the case.

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Elvick_  |  April 24th, 2010 at 6:33 am

I agree, I really don’t want to lose all my hard work.

If people cheat, then who really cares? Trophies mean nothing in the long run, but I want to make sure that if I spend 100+ hours on an RPG that I can back it up in case my PS3 breaks for some reason. :/

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mad300z  |  April 24th, 2010 at 6:42 am

Ya it Horse poo, what good is a backup feature if you cant back up every one of your game saves, with optional data selection. It’s like all the features they have they just put the bare minimum into them, just so they can say they are there.

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QUINTISON  |  April 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am

I’d be perfectly happy if all game saves were tied to my PSN id as it would be like a lock and key system but would still allow you to
copy the save data and put it on any amount of ps3′s THAT ALSO HAD YOUR PSN PROFILE ON IT.

My 1st ps3 was a 60 GB system then 6 months after i bought it i found out they were doing away with the 60 GB model so i bought another
to have a back-up with full bc.

I upgraded 1 of them with a 500GB hdd and recently thought it was going bad so i got a 250GB slim and upgraded that to 640GB and copied all files from my fatty to the slim.

This erased my copy protected data on the fatty after it was transferred to the slim.

Point being i have 3 ps3′s with my psn id on them and should be able to play on any of them without needing to be punished by starting over on any new system.

I’m sure some of you have at least 2 ps3′s or 1 broke and you bought a new 1 guess what you’re being punished for being an honest sony fan. THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.

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Sp4reNL  |  April 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am

Yes PSN-ID lock only.
It is completely stupid that I can’t create backup of my progress!

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