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ps4 backwards compatibility with ps3

Idea 63689 | Posted in by | October 15, 2012

It’s absolutely CRUCIAL for SONY to stay in gaming bussiness for next PS to be bw compatible with PS3. It HAS to be done no matter what. It’s still time to implement this.

 

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DWilson8504  |  October 16th, 2012 at 9:24 am

I agree. We also need FULL BC with PSN games and all other paid content on the PSN as well as a trophy carry-over.

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Kchow23  |  October 16th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

@1 Then would you stay with a PS3? I’d love to see this feature at the very least with every title on PSN.

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Alestes  |  October 25th, 2012 at 7:39 am

I don’t think the PS4 will be backwards compatible with the PS3, so you can kiss goodbye to all your PSN purchases.

The PS4 is rumored to use standard hardware, which is by no means faster enough to emulate the Cell processor found in the PS3. Not even the fastest PCs on the market would be able to do that.

It would be pretty cool if they made some kind of PS3 expansion slot for the PS4 though, so you can kinda just purchase and plug in an optional Cell processor and use that to play PS3 games.

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TheSnakeEater  |  November 6th, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Since Playstation did that with the PSP and PS Vita, they should consider having compatibility between the PS3 and 4. Such things really turn people off to new devices. It’s why the PS Vita is doing so badly, unfortunately, because it’s a great system.

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Robbie_G_lrish  |  November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

There is absolutely no way they can make the PS4 compatible with PS3 games unless they include PS3 hardware inside the PS4. That would be ridiculously expensive so it won’t happen. However we may be able to see PS2 games emulated.

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Savior3000  |  November 21st, 2012 at 10:54 pm

I hope what might happen is that it will still be backwards compatible with PS3 “software games” such as the ones you download from PSN such as we saw with the PS Vita: it is backwards compatible with PSP games but not the discs, i think the same will happen with PS$ playing PSN PS3 games but not PS3 discs.

hopefully it will be like this or then yes it will suck. i didn’t like having a PS2 and a PS3 on my desk, wont like having a PS3 and PS4 on the desk either.

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Markus  |  December 5th, 2012 at 8:32 pm

Sadly, ps3 BC is almost certainly not going to happen, if the ps4 hardware rumors are true. What we might see is ps3 getting a HUGE price drop and both ps3 and ps4 being advertised for different budgets, thus keeping the ps3 going just like ps2

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Icestar10  |  January 5th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

I want backwards compatibility for the PS4!

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DonkeyKongKilla  |  January 11th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

Yeah it’d be a huge thing. So many ps2 disc games had to get rid of that I wanted to keep playing, didn’t have a ps2 at the time so it was a bummer.

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TesseractE  |  January 12th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

Backwards Compatibility is rather important – at least at launch – to encourage adoption of the new hardware at a rate that the new software’s small selection wouldn’t allow.

When I got my PS2, the first game I loaded up was Final Fantasy VI. I was only able to get one game for it at release, and it wasn’t until a lot later that I had enough to play on the PS2 to sustain interest by itself. Same with the PS3.

Even if they only allow backwards compatibility with PSN titles, they would have that driver in place.

If the rumours about having a way to trade in your PS3 game discs for the ability to access them via a PS/Gaikai lovechild are true, then I’d be perfectly happy… as long as they can manage it lag-free somehow.

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iliketrains93  |  January 13th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

5 Reasons why The Playstation 4 (also known as ”Orbis”) will not last in the gaming market if released with it’s rumoured specs:
5: No backwards compatibility. We live in an age where anything should play on anything. I can even play MP3′s on my sofa.
4: You will be unable to buy used games meaning places like Gamestop, Gamestation, Game and other used gameshops will soon go out of business. (people are already boycotting the PS4 as well as Xbox 720)
3: RIDICULOUS pricing. It’s rumoured the ‘orbis’ will retail at just over £1000 ($1612.20[USD]) which means only the rich can actually afford them.
2: The only TV’s that can currently handle 4K resolution are made by Sony, Consume an insane amount of power and cost just a little over £25,000 ($40325[USD]).
1: There is no need for a new gen console what so ever. gamers are happy with the current choice of 360 or PS3 or even the Wii. just punch the ps3 with more RAM and sony should be set for another 6 years.

So yeah the Playstation 4 may backfire with an insanely large and fast blast. the same can be said for the rumoured Xbox720.

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Icestar10  |  February 7th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

@4

An expansion slot sounds like a good idea! :) They should either release an expansion slot as you said or they should release an optional model that has backwards compatibility. I really do want backwards compatibility!

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d1saunders  |  February 8th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

why does the ps4 need BC? we sitting on a ps3 now so why do we need the next system to play the same games we playing right now? just keep your ps3. now i agree that trophies from psn games should carry over and remember people that the games from psn is linked to our accounts not the systems. this aint WiiU.

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d1saunders  |  February 8th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

Our biggest concern should be if we can use our same accounts and will playstation plus work for both systems, without having to pay twice.

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Icestar10  |  February 9th, 2013 at 12:52 am

@14

Many of us want backwards compatibility because we don’t want to worry about not being able to play our PS3 games if our system breaks. Many people are already are on there second PS3 And what happens if their PS3 breaks? Also, I don’t want multiple systems hooked up to our TV. I want one system to play all of my PlayStation games!

Also, I am pretty sure we can use our same PSN account that we currently use on the PS3 so I don’t know why this is even a concern although I don’t know if trophies will transfer to the PS4.

To conclude: you don’t have to use the backwards compatibility feature if you don’t want to use it but many of us do want it.

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Garigandeljey  |  February 9th, 2013 at 9:50 am

@ 12 that was so so wrong I don’t even know where to start. So I won’t.

@ 15 I wonder what Sony will do about PS Plus on PS4 since there won’t be any content to give away. Hopefully they have worked that out by now.

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StefNighthawk  |  February 19th, 2013 at 5:25 am

@11,
With Gaikai there should even be a way to use your physical PS1/PS2/PS3 discs in your PS4 without trading them in for a digital release. The PS4 could use the physical disc as an authentication key.
It benefits consumer and publisher :
- Sony has again a fully BC machine
- Publisher knows their physical copies won’t be resold as they will still be used as a key.
- Consumer doesn’t need to rebuy his old titles.
The only drawback : always online

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Icestar10  |  February 24th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

So it turns out the PS4 is not backwards compatible after all…That is disappointing! So that means I would need to have a PS2, a PS3 and a PS4 hooked up…

Would it be possible to release 2 SKU PS4′s?

Sony could release in limited quantities a premium SKU PS4 that is backwards compatible with PSone, PS2 and PS3 games for maybe about $100 dollars extra alongside a cheaper non backwards compatible PS4. Sony could manufacture more quantities of the non backwards compatible models but they should give the option of backwards compatibility.

To me it’s not very practical to keep a PS2, a PS3 and a PS4 hooked up to a TV. Space at my entertainment center is very limited and there are already other devices on there…I don’t like the idea of switching consoles back and fourth. Not to mention that the PS3 does not last as long as a PSone or PS2 did.

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KentoMaiku  |  February 25th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

come out with an SKU that plays the ps3 titles please it would be a great help to the community.

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Amir_G_M_US  |  February 27th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

It’s not fair if my paid Playstation store purchased content wouldn’t work!

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TheTenth  |  February 28th, 2013 at 4:01 am

honestly I barely used BC for the PS3, but what’s important is that people who bought lots of games and DLC on the PS3 must NOT PAY AGAIN to play those on the PS3, and I’m not speaking about Gaikai, who will cost money each month and we’re not sure there won’t be big slowdowns, freezes as it’s linked to internet, I’m speaking about emulation and downloading the game on your PS4 for free

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erosario7932  |  March 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 am

I don’t want BC per se but I want to be able to download my already purchased/downloaded games for free when they become available on ps4

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Icestar10  |  March 2nd, 2013 at 2:34 pm

@23 (erosario7932)

Well the PS4 needs to be backwards compatible if you want those PSN downloads to work on the PS4 since the discs and the digital downloads use the same hardware. Unless of course they let us re-download our PSN purchases through Gaikai for free. I would rather have native backwards compatibility though. Not everyone has a good internet connection and I am worried about data caps.

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Sparrow-MtCh10  |  March 3rd, 2013 at 8:13 pm

No BC after $X,000 spent on PSN = Back to PC gaming and ilii Sony.

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DirjelJunshin  |  March 8th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

I would happily spend another $200 for a “premium” PS4 that plays PS3 (and PS2? I can hope!) games. My two closest gamer friends would also pay the extra money.

There is literally no reason to not have a more expensive model on the market that has the PS3 hardware in it in addition to the PS4 hardware. Just charge more – people WILL pay for it.

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TrinityChalice  |  March 8th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

look at the most popular Share Idea: PS2 emulation for PS3, at less than 40K users, it is not sufficient incentive for Sony to invest the dev resources needed to create PS2 BC for PS3. if that’s the same number of people wanting BC for PS4, then i’d rather PS4 not have that added expense…

i’ll buy a PS4 for PS4 games and Ultra-HD video. if Sony somehow gets BC working via Gaikai then that’s the gravy…

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Ness_and_Sonic  |  March 8th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

Please include expansion slots prior consoles like the PS2 and PS3 on all PS4 models. The adapter doesn’t have to be included with the system, as long as it is available for sale and can be used with all PS4 models. (This is one area where the PS3 messed up. If it was a plugin device, it could be transferred from the thicker models to the slim ones without any problems as long as the slot was there.)

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Icestar10  |  March 8th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

@ 27

Firstly:

There are a lot of people out there who want backwards compatibly but there are lot of people don’t know about the blog share. The whole point of this website is to tell Sony what we want and the number 1 idea is PS2 emulation software for the PS3.

Secondly:

It’s true that adding backwards compatibility on the PS4 would increase the cost of the PS4 and it’s not a cost many people want to pay for. But there are many people out there that would not mind paying a little extra to have backwards compatibly. It’s worth it to me and many others.

Many of us who do want backwards compatibly do understand that not everyone wants to pay extra which is why many of us want Sony to release 2 SKU PS4′s: One with backwards compatibly with PSone, PS2 and PS3 games, and a non backwards compatible PS4 SKU for those who don’t want backwards compatibility.

Also, the who concept of Gaikai sounds cool but not everyone has good internet connection and I am sure you would have to pay a subscription fee to access it.

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Accrovideogames  |  March 8th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

I swore not to buy a PS4 if it lacked full backward compatibility and/or blocked used games. In other words, Sony lost a customer.

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Icestar10  |  March 8th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

@ 28

That’s a good idea! The PS4 should have a built in expansion slot or expansion bay built in the back of the PS4 and they should sell a device containing the chips for PS2 and PS3 games that can be attached inside the expansion slot of the PS4. I am sure the PSOne games can be emulated on the PS4. Come to think of it; the PS2 should be emulated with the PS4 hardware as well.

There is no reason why Sony can’t find one way or another to include full backwards compatibly with PSone, PS2 and PS3 games for the PS4. Another option is that Sony could release a premium backwards compatible PS4.

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TrinityChalice  |  March 8th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

@29

i’ve seen the link for the PS2 emulation idea in many of the forums i visit as well as some mainstream outlets and in youtube videos. and, the Share Blog is not exactly obscure. so, your ‘many’ is just 40K out of 75M users, which is not financial feasible to satisfy for the cost it would take to develop PS2 emulation for PS3…

so, i’d rather Sony lose those 40K users for a cheaper priced PS4, just as MS lost some users because of partial XBOX BC on the 360 and got 75M users instead…

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Icestar10  |  March 8th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

@32

I understand that not everyone wants backwards compatibility and that many people want a cheaper PS4 which is why I suggested that Sony should release 2 PS4 SKU’s: a basic cheaper non backwards compatible PS4 for those who don’t want backwards compatibly, and a premium backwards compatible PS4 SKU for those of us who do want backwards compatibility. Another method is that SOny can release an add-on that can be attached to an expansion slot on the PS4.

What I am trying to say is that there are significant amount of people who do want it and that there should have the option available. 40K is a lot of users and there should either be an optional add-on or a premium backwards compatible released alongside a cheaper non backwards compatible PS4.

Don’t get me wrong, I still want the PS4 even if it’t not backwards compatible but I am really disappointed that the PS4 is currently not backwards compatible.

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Bob_the_Almighty  |  March 9th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

While it would be cool to have hardware BC, I don’t think it’s as important on PS4 as it was on PS3 (in the beginning).

The PS1 and PS2 were not high-def machines and they looked all kinds of crap when hooked up to an HDTV. The PS3 made them look considerably better (upscaling and smoothing options) than they did on their native hardware.

The PS3 was already an HD machine and thus the games already look nice on HDTVs. It’s a completely different situation than it was with the PS2.

The other thing people tend to forget is how many PS3 games require huge installs? Like 4-7gb? Do you really want to waste half/all of your PS4 hard drive space on installing PS3 games (both retail and PSN)?

The only real advantage would be only having one machine hooked up to your TV instead of two and if it means buying a PS4 for $399 instead of $599 it’s pretty obviously what the smarter choice is.

One last thing, Sony might be losing money on the PS4 at launch and they could avoid losses by selling PS3s at a profit. PS3 BC would cannibalize PS3 sales on top of making the PS4 more expensive.

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Icestar10  |  March 9th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

@34

So many peoples’ PS3 have been getting the YLOD and having a backwards compatible PS4 would mean one who still wants to play PS3 games don’t have to worry about their PS3′s breaking down.Having one console hooked up to the TV is a lot better than having 2. That’s the who point of backwards compatibility. It’s where we can have 1 device to play all of our PlayStation games.

As for downloads: Well one can install a large hard drive in the PS4 so that’s not an issue. Not only that, since the PS4 will probably have quicker download speeds updating and downloading PS3 games on the PS4 would be very painless since it would not be as slow was the PS3 is.I really don’t know why people come here and down vote this idea just because they won’t use it. It just ruins it for others, like myself who do want it.

Sony could easily release 2 PS4 SKU’s: One with backwards compatibility, and a non backwards compatible PS4 SKU Another alternative is that Sony could build an expansion slot or expansion bay on the back of the PS4 like the PS2 and they could release an add-on that has the PS3 chips inside that could be inserted inside expansion bay kind of like a hard drive.

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Blue-Eyed-Sword  |  March 10th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

I read that back in 2010 the Cell chip costed about $37.73 and the RSX chip costed about $45.82. So I am sure now they are much cheaper. I mean, Sony made the PS3 super slim and now I am sure that the PS3 parts are much cheaper now.

So my question is: Why do some of you think that adding backwards compatibility to the PS4 would increase the price of the PS4 dramatically? That’s not true!

I don’t understand why Sony can’t release a backwards compatible PS4 alongside a non-backwards compatible PS4. It can’t cost that much. I am well aware that not everyone cares about backwards compatibility but many people, like me, do care about backwards compatibly a lot…

So I don’t know why people are downvoting this idea and stopping us from getting this feature.

If my PS3 breaks then I have no way to play my PS3 games and I won’t buy a third PS3. After spending $500 dollars for my first PS3 and $250 dollars on my second PS3, I see no reason to waste money on a third PS3. $750 dollars is not easy money, people!

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TheTenth  |  March 11th, 2013 at 4:21 am

Either by software emulation – allowing people who have already paid to just download the “new” game compatible with PS4, or with “cloud” gaming – I don’t advise this one as IMHO the internet may not be fast enough for everyone and noone would want some freezes or slowdowns all the time

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jose213jose  |  March 11th, 2013 at 9:48 am

Emulation PS3 alone is going to be hard and alot of money now. Unless their use hardware inside PS3 to make network for it to Steam gameplay would be easy then Emulation. Sony should maybe think it over before release PS4. Emulation for PS3 on PS4 won’t happen unless their make change to software allowing it to work on PS4 without problems and cost. Then all games will need update to change software coding.

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DirjelJunshin  |  March 11th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

I created a poll on GameFAQs, and it looks like 41% of respondents (of 300 so far) would be willing to pay more for a backwards-compatible PS4.

Approximately 15% would be willing to pay $200 or more for one console to play all of their PlayStation games.

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Icestar10  |  March 11th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

I don’t mind paying for backwards compatibility. I think it’s worth it! Backwards compatibility is important to have. I don’t know why Sony won’t even give us the option to pay for backwards compatibility.

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Leroy401  |  March 30th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

I don’t see this to be possible the only this would work if they put a physical cell processor in the ps4 to run ps3 n if they did the cost will go up it will be like buying a 2 in 1 console! But cloud services suppose to solve this problem

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tozana  |  March 31st, 2013 at 6:40 am

I would have both systems in my living room, and I would prefer to have a cheaper PS4 without backwards compatibility. Sony could even sell two otherwise identical systems, one BC and the other not, as they did with the PS3 (but then the not BC had worse specs).

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Cjizzle2113  |  April 22nd, 2013 at 11:46 pm

@many numbers.. lol It’s not just about having both or the room I mean yeah most tV’s today have only 2-4 HDMI ports and if u have directv which I do, an Apple TV, which I do and a PS3 then that takes up ALL 3 slots!!! I mean hell where u gonna plug it in at ???? I guess u would tell me & others to go buy a new tv which is ridiculous cause I just bought a brand new 55″ LED TV and not only that I mean I would think “Most People” like myself would trade their old one in to get like $100 bucks to go towards the new one if it was BC.. And I mean for the ones who don’t want it or care for it, that’s fine!!!! DON’T USE IT THEN, but don’t try to down vote those of us who really do want it and idk if this 40 out of 75 is true or whatever but umm hello 40 is MORE than half of 75 so wouldn’t the majority rule ? you would think so but like I said I think the HDMI ports is a big reason also cause if you don’t have a port for it then whats the point ?!? I mean really.. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or a computer whiz to figure that one out!!!

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g_r_a_e_y  |  April 28th, 2013 at 12:35 am

BC is important because titles are what actually sell a game console. If you launch with BC you inherit all the game titles of the consoles you’re compatible with.

At the very least they can manage PS1/PS2 BC with the PS4 since you can do PC emulation of those consoles right now. If 3rd party hobbyists can code it, Sony better hope they have developers that are equal to the task. I for one won’t be buying a PS4 that doesn’t support the previous consoles’ games. Although to be honest I won’t be buying one in the first year anyway since I’ll wait to see what the hardware fail rate is like.

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Sephiroth3816  |  May 13th, 2013 at 1:10 pm

Cutting through the BS of BC.

First, the PS4 can’t really have much better technology. They are probably going to slap a better Graphics processor and more ram into a PS3, change the number on the case, and release it for $500 plus. Ripping everyone off with an over-price half-assed computer.

Second, Seeing as it can’t be using much better tech. all they need to do is put a chip in there with the software to understand the coding on a PS3 disc, and for that matter, PS2, and PS1.

Third, If they don’t support redownloading your PSN buys…. lets just say more people are going to get smart and just buy a computer and force sony to go back to truely being “Sony COMPUTER entertainment”

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fumed  |  May 28th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

@cjizzle2113 you werent’t paying attention, it was 45 thousand out of 75 million that want bc. that’s a drop in the buckette especially considering all the ps3 owners that arent
represented in the forums.as for an add on periphreal to do this? does anyone remember the sega cd drive and other such add-ons that were expensive and complete bombs , sony still needs to watch their bottom line no matter how rich they are. i think after they recoup their money on the console and figure out where they stand with games and competitors most ppl will get their wishes and probably then some.

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fumed  |  May 28th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

actually it was 40 thousand, i guess i wasn’t paying as much attention as i thought lol

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tgreedy  |  June 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

The ps4 would be way over priced if it came with backward compatible. it would be better If they created an add-on. The ps 3 sold well with out being backward compatible. Your psn purchases should carry over. If a fee is need for this it should be no more then 2 dollars.

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CommandingTiger  |  June 23rd, 2013 at 1:29 pm

BC is coming to Gaikai.
Please transfer all of our PSN games on Gaikai.
It would be the last time you’d need to “optimise” B/C.
Since, if you go again with AMD hardware, chances are that PS5 will be easily B/C with PS4.

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Icestar10  |  June 25th, 2013 at 11:27 am

Sony said they could let us transfer our PSN games to Gaikai and let us play them on the PS4.

I really want to be able to put a PS1, PS2 and PS3 disc inside the system where Gaikai would verify that we have the disc and unlock the game on Gaikai and stream it to us as long as the disc is inside the system. That would be nice!

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